I'm hoping someone can help explain an interesting behaviour when monitoring a c-bus network. When a user ramps a group via a switch I see both an immediate all-on message followed by the actual ramping request when the user releases their finger from the key. For example: lighting ramp //139JRS/254/56/131 255 8 #sourceunit=57 OID=510dee30-22e7-1032-81b4-846f806ca6f1 lighting ramp //139JRS/254/56/131 112 0 #sourceunit=57 OID=510dee30-22e7-1032-81b4-846f806ca6f1 I see the same when ramping downwards as well. Is there any reason for this initial message to be sent by c-gate? The challenge, for my Indigo plugin, is that a real ramp to full produces the same initial message hence I probably need to start tracking the order and timing of messages to determine the actual behaviour of the user. I hope someone can explain this behaviour. Regards kieran