Why Cbus2 consuming so much base load?

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    Greatflyers

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    Hi all,

    Moved into house in Perth and it has Cbus2, 2 panels and lots of downlights, windows 2000 I think. It's about 12 Yr old system.

    When everything is turned off, it consumes a minimum of 380 Watts, my solar system software confirms it. Fridge spikes on and off at night adds about 120w or so. 380w seems very high for like when nothing is happening abd is very frustrating as Elec so expensive now... . Any ideas if this normal? Thinking just switch whole house power off at night as this is just such a waste... Maybe something shorting?

    Also, anyone know how to connect to this Cbus2 and look at the settings etc? I see ethernet slot in the board, guess is for that? What software?

    Then the touchscreen failed already once but after 4 weeks was repaired at great $$$, what a hassle!

    Outside the Cbus2 motion sensors are 36v? Nice of clipsal as new replacement units like aud 120 whereas any 240v replacement with lights is like only $35.

    This Cbus2 is nothing more than a big liability unless it can stop guzzling power and I can find a way to programme it etc..

    No remote access to it either.... Hmmm thumbs down to Cbus2 at this point...
     
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    Very interesting post. I trust your power consumption is 'true power'? Please see https://www.sunpower-uk.com/glossary/what-is-true-power/#targetText=In an AC circuit, true,resistance to do useful work.

    My system consists of about 75 C-Bus units and its true power is about 46W. The only way to determine is to actually measure the power supplies. Remember there is quiescent power in devices such as smoke alarms, air conditioners, TVs. I did a full audit on my house about 5 years ago and was blown away by some seemingly benign devices that draw power on the off-state. e.g. 24v ac transformers for irrigation and air conditioning dampers use 4W each (I have 3 of them).

    Please don't compare shitty $35 sensors with lights from Bunnings with C-Bus sensors. Completely different capabilities and technology. Like comparing a basic Oppo phone with a top of the line Samsung or Apple. Massively different capabilities and functions.

    You can download the software (C-Bus Toolkit) from the Clipsal web site if you want BTW

    I strongly suggest doing a bit more research. C-Bus is by far the best system on the market and has been for over 25 years.

    There are remote access options if you need

    Keen to hear how things go with a deep dive investigation. Hope this helps :)
     
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    Thanks for your reply. 48w, wow, ol so something clearly wrong with my system as then as 10x that..... I will check more....!
     
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    Greatflyers -> Im in Perth and happy to consult if you want.

    Send me a PM
     
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    Wow, this is the big problem I see for C-Bus. People (and electricians) make these sort of claims based on no knowledge and incorrect findings and blame C-Bus and claim how crap it is. Bad news is reported so much more than success.

    From the people here in the forums, the first thing we think when reading this type of post is how uneducated (wrp to C-Bus) this person is based on the claims that were made.
     
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    One installation I did years ago where the client requested current sensors on the mains and C-Bus sub board to see his power usage. Same thing happened - I received a call from the client stating that C-Bus was using hundreds of watts when everything was turned off and demanded an explanation. Didn't take long to add up to the figure he stated when we measured smoke detectors, media equipment, irrigation controllers, 2 Matrix units (~50W alone) that were all supplied from that board. The actual C-Bus power supplies were drawing less than 40 watts.

    I agree with you Mick - It blows me away the perception that some of the sparkies down my way have regarding C-Bus, but when you actually get into it with them, a lot of the time they simply just don't understand it. Only a couple of weeks ago I had a sparky tell me C-Bus was rubbish due to switches only being good for 1,000 presses. After chatting to him for a bit I worked out he was referring to the issues of constantly writing values to the old DLTs. He had no clue what he was talking about, he was just reciting a Chinese whisper he had heard.
     
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