Touchscreens discontinued?

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    Nath1304

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    Hi,

    I heard that with new SHAC and NAC controllers that clipsal will phase out the touchscreens as these are based off windows software? can anyone shed some light on this? Does that mean that in the future instead of touchscreens on the wall as a main controller we'll use eDLT's and iPads?

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    There has been little information forthcoming about this. Certainly all touch screens have been discontinued and the SHAC/NAC has been released, but I have heard no official word that the SHAC/NAC has been specifically designed as a touch screen replacement, and if that's the idea it needs serious work to be in any way comparable.

    Given that the colour touch screen ran on embedded windows xp you would have thought an obvious solution would be to port it to a modern windows based tablet and leverage all the hard work put into PICED rather than re-inventing the wheel with a poorer substitute. But then Schneider seems to have a rather odd marketing strategy when it comes to cbus. :(
     
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    Ashley
    What about Homegate or Schedule Plus?
     
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    I really like the new SHAC, yes its missing some features, but its a great start for a version 1 product. I use it with my iPad wall mounts, Horizon Black (on wall), Stainless Steel (in wall) and Pure White (on wall) shown below. Then I use my ipad/iphone app https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/ctc-wiser/id1330538372?mt=8 . This combination gives the users a devices that matches their Cbus switches, looks similar to the old Clipsal Touch screens, but with a bigger screen, and the ability to use other iOS apps, and is cheaper !

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    Are they your ipad wall mounts or did you buy them?
    Looking to get some
    Thanks
     
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    They are my iPad frames, PM me to discuss
     
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    Icrowhurst obviously the ipads have chargers connected how have you done this and have you had any adverse effects?
     
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    I embed a genuine apple lightning lead in the frame and use the power supply that comes with the iPad, the power supply then normally sits behind the frame in the wall cavity.Clients have also used power over cat5, in situations where the power supply has to be quite a way from the frame. I’ve been supplying the frames since the introduction of the iPad 2 and still have clients running those iPads. In all my installations I haven’t had an issue , and haven’t heard from anyone I’ve supplied a frame too having an issue.

    I used several types of touch screen/tablets before using the iPad and none of them lasted as well as the iPads .
     
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    What are they exactly?
     
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    So it replaces/supersedes this?
    https://www.clipsal.com/Trade/Products/Integrated-Systems/Wiser-Home-Control/wiser

    I find Schneider's website and docs full of fluffy details

    Eg
    The Wiser for C-Bus Automation Controller (5500SHAC) is an advanced controller from
    Schneider Electric. It is specifically designed to unite the C-Bus home automation solution
    with common household communication protocols

    Ok, so which 'common household communication protocols?
     
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    It integrates with the wife protocol, so basically any thing that needs to be done in the house can be achieved via a push of a Cbus button.
     
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    Sounds like you've been to the same marketing school as the Clipsal mob! Lots of words, no details!
     
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    Although wife protocol is bi-directional, in my experience it is better to just issue commands, and ignor recieved messages.

    Standard command such as

    Turn on the kitchen light
    Change the tv to Chanel 10

    Etc are relatively easy to achieve, however higher level functions such as

    Bring me a beer
    Make my dinner

    Etc, take increased effort to achieve, and can cause a large amount of feed back.

    Although manuals are available online that document this protocol, because of is ever changing nature , it is difficult to document a complete set.
     
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    I've given up on miracles, especially from technology!

    Sooo does it replace the old a wiser? Which other protocols does it talk to?
     
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    I don't work for Clipsal but I assume that yes the SHAC/NAC will replace the old Wiser. Its a gen one product, but already good. You can have it have a generated interface/ and or design the interface yourself to include floor plans etc. It has a good scripting language and Sheduler.

    You can talk to other devices via tcp/serial/mod bus. So if you have advice that can be controlled via a URL or TCP Socked, serial text etc it could be controlled by the SHAC, the code/script would have to be written but it can be done.
     
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    Thank you both.
     
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