Ramp Groups to Off [I]When a group address is ramped to level 0, the command is received by all C-Bus Units on the network. On some old C-Bus input units, the status indicator will go off as soon as this message is seen, even though the level is still above 0 for some time. For this reason, many devices send a "ramp to level 1" command followed by an "off" command when the level gets to 1. In this case, the input unit status indicators will show the state correctly. To select this behaviour, select the Ramp Groups to Level 1 then send Off check box. If this check box is not selected, then ramping to level 0 will be done with a single "ramp to level 1" command. [/I] From Help File Does this mean that its ramped to 1 then a ramp to zero without a log entry , as the log file in Piced or Toolkit show. dave