Dynamic button DLT function

Is it possible to make "dynamic" DLT button, pressing which on 1-st page will affect 2-nd page functions?

Or is it only multiroom function? How does it work?

Thank you!

 

As with any C-Bus switch you can assign a key to multiple blocks/groups. Those blocks can be used on either page. That way the actions from that key are applied to multiple groups at once. Is this what you want to do?

 

No. If you see MultiRoomAudio Amplifier UsersGuide2.pdf , page 8, you will understand what I mean by dynamic button. You select another source on page 1, 2 buttons on 2-nd page change.

Questions are:
1. may it work without multiroom?
2. may all 4 buttons function as dynamic, not 2?

Thank you!

 

The DLT is only dynamic with it's labeling and even then that is a stetch of the english language, because once you program it, it is set. By that the DLT is not much more than a 8 button switch which has scene capability and an LCD screen which can shows the button name. The screen only changes from page to page.

If I understand you correctly you want something where if, for example you press button one it brings up a second screen with additional options etc. Pressing button two will bring up a different screen with different options etc? Is that correct? If so would agree it would be very useful and make the DLT truly dynamic. So too would the ability to have more than two pages, I have an application where I would want to do dynamic key selection, or at the very least about 5 pages (20 buttons) worth of functions. I guess kind of a poor mans touch screen.

 

Dynamic DLT

A while back I wrote a little app for a client , which dynamically changed the DLT display. The app monitored a set of groups, and then depending of the value of the groups changed the DLT display. So technically it is possible to do what you are looking for, however the app needs to run on a pc, connected to the CBus.

A the Cedia show this year one of the CIS guys mentioned that they are looking at allowing a PAC or a Touch screen to write to a DLT - not sure of the time scale.

If you want more information email me at [email protected]

 

DLT Labelling

As Ashleigh says, this can be done. We have a few projects running now with the labels being updated by logic from the PAC. The advantage of using the PAC over the c-bus windows is there is NO requirement for a PC to be up and running on site.
Time permitting, I'm trying to write up how to do this one (to quote a manufacturer we know - it's coming! )

Mark

Sorry, typo there! Should read NO requirement for a PC.....

 

So can these controls also alter the functions of each button or is it just the label that changes?

 

Logically speaking...

Ashley,
You could get the buttons to control different groups on page two when changing a condition on page 1. Playing with some logic would get you where you want to be.

Mark

 

It really sounds like a trim-down touch screen with less memory and functions.

 

Does anyone have a copy of the commands needed to do this? I have a PAC and a DLT and would love to be able to control it in this way.

 

I could be wrong.. but I think as part of the C-Bus Enabled Program you would have access to the commands required for broadcasting labels over the network.

 

So out of interest is their anyway for a mere home tinkerer to get access to the appropriate commands.

Cheers,

Bruce

 

From a PC use C-Gate ( http://www2.clipsal.com/cis/technical/downloads/developer_tools#Cgatedoco ) or download C-Bus Driver ( http://www2.clipsal.com/cis/technical/downloads/developer_tools#CBusWinDriver ).

Write your own implementation of C-Bus Protocol:

http://www.cbus-enabled.com/cbus-open-b-light.htm
(no cost)

Can't remember if the "open" protocol contains DLT commands or not. To do this with a PAC I think you need to connect the serial port to a PCI, can someone confirm if this is the case.

 

This info doesn't come with the Public Release Document unfortunately.
Although it is possible to use the info in this document coupled with the c-gate manual mixed with some good luck to achieve this! (maybe throw in some Guiness).

A PAC coupled to a PCI will do this - don't forget to power up the PAC.

Mark

 

Hi Ashleigh,

Bring on the "Dynamic" in the DLT the current method of labelling in Toolkit is very clunky. Indeed a PITA when you are doing 22 of them as I am at the moment. I hope labelling within Toolkit is a more integrated in the not distant future.

Any plans in the forseable?

Cheers,

Fleetz

 

Hi Ashleigh,

Fully understand your pressures....230 should see you up to date by end of next week

Seriously I have just spent 3 hours trying to get my head around the labeling on the DLT's at best it clunky (see my previous post) and at worst it is shocking. Given the DLT appears to be the flag ship key input unit releasing it to the market with the current Toolkit interface is an interesting CIS decision. The ender user doesn't know doesn't care but the poor bugger that has to program them up.

I have found the process not at all intuitive and doesn't appear logical.....it may well be me. The thought of programming up 22 of them has me shaken in the fetal position and sucking my thumb!

My two cent and I am now off my soap box!

Nice to have a forum that is open and well connected in which to convey the message.

Cheers,

Fleetz

 

I think engineering agree with all your observations. Except the first regarding completing 230 new features by next week