Clipsal Premise Gateway & Wiser

The latest "Connected home australia magazine" talks about clipsal releasing the C-bus premise gateway into the Australian market.

Is this the Wiser solution or is this something else.


Was it released at the clipsal 500 motor sport event ??

Charles

 

anything changed since original Premise Gateway?
any info about the product?

 

Download latest version of PICED.... lots of information in there

 

Seen it in PICED, seems to be just magical product! Router, flash, Internet, cameras, logic

But it does not support cyrillic fonts... Same as CCtouch, but there is no option to use images. It will make Wiser completely unusable for us.

Anyway, hope it could be solved in the future.

Is it gonna have Serial (RS232/485) ports?

 

We are going to work on supporting other fonts in the future. The big problem is that these fonts use a LOT of memory.

No. There is no serial port in the hardware. It does support TCP/IP sockets, so you could use an Ethernet to RS232 converter.

 

Where is the web server

Where is the web server
1) CNI bit
2) The BUSBAR bit
3) the wireless/switch bit

I am guessing (1)

Why is it a hodge poge of bits ?

Is the Wireless/switch bit OEMed from someone else?

Is the busbar bit a nice way of connecting CNI to OEM router and using 1 power pack ??

can you throw away the wireless/switch bit (for houses with existing switches and multi-access point wireless) and the busbar bit and just plug the power to the CNI ??

Is the CNI bit going to be available separately?

 

I think its more likely that the web server is going to be in the router.

By using an OEM router with their own custom firmware it massively reduces their lead time on development. They dont have to worry about designing the complex hardware needed to power this product.

The busbar bit is a nice way of bolting on cbus components rather then re-designing the router housing. Bonus it means only 1 power supply

It might be available separately but you can make your own now. Just bolt a CNI and a PAC together with some packing tape

 

The statement was made that this will never happen as no body want its (or something to that effect).

So it looks like packing tape is the only option

Mick

 

It is in the router (3).

It is a long story, but essentially it saved a lot of "re-inventing the wheel".

Yes, but it has customised firmware in it.

Yes.

Yes, but that would make everyone who worked on the router very, very sad

Yes.

 

Thanks Darren for you responce.

I am more thinking for the bigger homes

Can you just use the router part disable the wireless and connect to the customers exisiting CNI (DIN mount)

exisiting customers are asking for these features. this product fits the bill perfectly. just thinking how to intergrate

so will JUST the router be avaliable seperatly (may be with no wireless as well)

The product is great for a greenfield site.

Charles

 

You can. It is quite easy:
1. Disconnect the bus-bar and Wiser CNI from the Wiser router (but keep them in case you need them later)
2. Connect the power supply directly to the Wiser router
3. Connect the WAN or LAN side of the Wiser router to your customer's router/switch (it will work either way, just make sure you enter all the settings in PICED)
4. Configure the Wiser project in PICED to use the existing CNI
5. Transfer the project to the Wiser
6. Disable the wireless setting in the Wiser router configuration page
7. Sit down and have a quiet beer and marvel at how easy it was

Yes, but it will be the same price and will come with a free busbar and CNI. So, actually the answer is no

It should be flexible enough to use almost anywhere. We went to a great deal of trouble to think of the various scenarios where it might be used.

 

He He

This is very cool



I also suppose the sites that dont have the cbus cable where the wireless route is located the CNI module can be located elsewhere and you just need another power supply.


Is there anything else in the BUS bar except the power supply splitter and lan loop route to cni and the wan pass through. I assume the router and the CNI are the same voltage.

It was a wise (pardon the pun) not to put the Cbus connection on a RJ54 ! I can could see this being put in the wrong hole. !

Charles

 

Yes, this is correct. In fact,the CNI will work on 5-24V dc (we tested it on
5V for USB and it's fine). The nominal voltage of 12V was chosen because that's what was on the router.

No, that's it. It's been provided to make installation easier from a power and connection perspective

Oh you don't know how happy I am to hear that!!!! It also offers the ability to have multiple C-Bus connections in the one terminal (we wouldn't have enough room for two RJ45's anyway)....

 

Voice of the market Nick, voice of the market...

 

Now what would be really handy

Now what would be really handy is a CNI could get its power from 802.1af (ie POE)

I have a few sites using the DLINK 12v POE splitter it would be good to have all in the same unit. Do Lantronics make one ?

 

The new CNI doesn't use Lantronix. Initial configuration (setup of IP address etc) is via a new piece of software (IP configuration Utility). It's much easier to setup than the old CNI that has the Lantronix module. The new software can also be used on the old CNI too.

POE was considered and may be available in future versions. As the main reason for the new CNI was to work with the Wiser Controller (which does not support POE), it was decided to defer for now.