Clipsal pdf available for this item...?

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    I've just got a combined USB/4 channel relay.

    Does anyone have a link to it on Clipsal's website?

    thanks,
     
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    This item doesn't sound familiar... what's the catalogue number?
     
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    Not sure. I can't see it on the device.
     
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    Should be a label on the side (end) of the product.

    If that can't be found easily, please post a photo.

    Where did you get this product? Beware there are some imitation / counterfeit products in other countries but none have been spotting in Australia. This could be a first. Or it could be a misunderstanding.
     
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    Photo of the mystery item

    No label on the end, but it looks just like my other cBus equipment.

    Bought it from eBay...
     

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    You will not get any data on that item because it is not a standard item. It looks like someone has put it together themselves in their back shed. The fact that there is no label suggests that someone has put this together of their own accord, combining a C-Bus DIN USB PCI and a 4-channel relay to save a bit of DIN space.

    If the blue covers are not glued on then it would pay to gently prise them off and have a good look at the insides of the unit. Having USB in close proximity to mains voltages is never a good idea. I'd hate to see your PC go up in smoke, or worse, if some mains gets near the isolated USB side of the USB PC Interface board and sends mains up the USB cable. If it is not properly segregated, or a wire inside came loose and touched something it shouldn't, then there's also a risk of mains voltages getting onto C-Bus itself, with obvious catastrophic consequences. An insurance company or technical regulator would take a very dim view of this sort of thing.

    If you can get the serial numbers out of the unit (using Toolkit) and phone them through to tech support, they may be able to trace the history of those units for you, although this might not tell you much more than that they were built as standard units. Still, it doesn't hurt to ask.
     
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    Photo of the inside of it below.

    Thanks for any help identifying it...
     

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    H Dale

    I'll PM you re this

    Cheers
     
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    That unit is dangerous.

    I would STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU DO NOT USE IT or connect it to mains voltages of any kind.

    The possibility of a fatal electric shock is very high.

    Sad to say (but happens on eBay) - you've been had.
     
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    Nice CUSTOM unit

    Hi Dale
    I saw one similar once, a C-Bus trainer had it and told me it was a "special" made by the propeller heads in CIS. I said it would be a great unit, CIS should do them as standard and there was some comment about certification or the like. The one I saw also had an IEC socket in the side and the mains terminals covered / blanked off to safely provide 240VAC. Great unit for programmers:cool:.
     
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    I had been wondering if that was the case :)

    Dale
     
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    I saw it on eBay too and was tempted! but didn't have a immediate use. It should work fine, as all the work I saw of the CIS guys was excellent. As far as I remember, they were still two separate C-Bus devices, just shoved together in one box.
     
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    Those made internally by CIS tech training and support group had big warnings on them and other markings.

    It looks a lot like this is not the case on this one.

    Worse - it has some wires floating around in there which are linking the power supply into the USB section. The trouble with this is the isolation level has not been evaluated, nor has creepage or clearance. Using that unit is not very likely to make the C-Bus side unsafe, but the USB side is another matter again.

    This forum can't and should not give any advice at all about electrical safety because it could create a legal liability issue for those who make such comments as well as those who run the forum and allow it to remain published.

    In this case I will make an exception: In my opinion this device MAY NOT BE electrically safe and I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND YOU connect to anything at all. If you do, you must accept all responsibility for doing so and if your house burns down those who make any statements on this forum EXPLICITLY DENY ANY AND ALL LIABILITY.
     
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