C Bus Electricans Leave Automation Chaos

Ouch!

Sounds like someone is a bit upset with clipsal.

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Wow.. its an original article.. how novel for that website!

Check out the recent coverage of that site on ABC's MediaWatch

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2178689.htm

 

He seems to be suggesting that Clipsal should only allow people who are already experts in home automation to do the C-Bus training. I wonder if he sees the "chicken and egg" problem there

Clipsal recommends that installers do not take on jobs which are beyond their capability. Everybody loses when a contract can't be completed properly.

 

hahaha. yeah they kinda suck

 

Hmmm looks like they've fixed their 'hacking problem' where people would hack into their site and post plagiarised articles.... I have a whole new perspective on hacking now.

 

Gotta love the guy's spelling, grammar, and research "talents"

 

Hmmm same 'author' different story... Same number of typos though

http://www.channelnews.com.au/Automation/General_Automation/T6R9V8E5?page=1

 

Haha. Great link Dunc. That MediaWatch article is very revealing.

 

As an electrician just moving into the home automation market, I think this article is just plain dumb. As I was not born an expert in anything other than soiling myself and crying, I have had to learn all of my skills, the same applies to the CBus range.

Having spent a large portion of my life in various technology sectors, telecoms, electronics engineering, programming, network installations etc etc, I feel I am in an excellent position to move into this arena. Certainly having gone out and fixed two installations done by so called integrators that have been in the business a long time, I think I am already way ahead of most of the UK game, certainly in respect to Clipsal product.

Clearly this guy/publication has an axe to grind and has not thought out the article at all. Or perhaps I am just in the 2% LOL.

 

Well, not that original it turns out. Large chunks of the article come from here. At least he is now crediting twice.com in the byline.

Paul

 

Gosh.. thats interesting.. TWICE is one of the sites contacted by Media Watch and they said:

Perhaps he's sorted out a valid license agreement with TWICE now? Pfft.

 

Electrician Vs AV

Coming from an electrical background into automation many years ago I can see why some people still put S#$t on the electrician. But gaining experience in data, security, IT and Audio visual plus having an electrical background you can come with some nice work in this industry. Sure some people use customers jobs as training but no one is an instant expert in this home automation industry with out some hard work and time.
Av guys really S$%t me when they carry on about electricians getting into home automation when some eletcricians have probably got more experience than most AV guys. Hey you don’t need a licence to install speakers or plasma's. I had a owner of a AV home automation abuse me one day about beating him on several jobs and telling me just because you know cbus doesn’t mean you know AV. This coming from a guy that only got into home automation in the last 3 years having no past data, security, IT background and that still sells you a system with the ten remotes to use and a piece of paper of how to turn on your TV.
Well the reason some of us electrical background home automation installers are doing so well is that are heads are not up our behinds or are we part of the AV boys club but install solid systems with good documentation all to relevant licensing and don’t have 100% mark up on our speakers or Av components like the so called AV specialist (box movers).
All I can say is from the past 16 years in this industry the merge to have one person or company that can put all the systems together will force more and more of these so called AV specialist away to find that they will need to sharpen up the pen and have a more open mind of there competition.
I have seen some poor work be some sparkys doing cbus and have had to tidy up the mess but I have also seen some dodgy work from unlicensed AV specialist that would make your skin crawl and probably void your house insurance if you house burned down.
The two problems I see is that clipsal own in house reps push the unskilled cbus installers into the bigger jobs and this can either make them or break them and generally the later. The local reps keep helping out the unskilled electrician take on these larger jobs as they see most other companies that could assist as the competition and soon enough someone like us will get a call to fix the mess.
The other is that any Tom, Dick or Harvey can access the product from there local electrical wholesaler or pick up some bargains on eBay.
Sorry if I have offended anyone but that’s my thoughts

 

nathan i support u 150%
i just love how these a/v "specialists become - data-security-lighting-home automation etc etc specialists overnight.i had a a/v guroo who told a customer of mine that could not possibly know anything about data last week.
i guess as a humble electrician - 17 years of data experience means nothing.

from my experience they seem to be going into panic mode now they cant make the huge profits they have been making for years since h/norman and jb have stepped in.and yes whilst on the subject,i can think of a number of integrators/tech/guroos etc etc whoes core business is electrical contracting!!!!(owe my god).
not all of us deserve to be put in the same boat.and yes i will agree that some are not worth feeding(i have employed them)but some of us dont do a bad job for a mere electrican.

and yes that is just my opinion.

 

nathan i support u 150%
i just love how these a/v "specialists become - data-security-lighting-home automation etc etc specialists overnight.i had a a/v guroo who told a customer of mine that could not possibly know anything about data last week.
i guess as a humble electrician - 17 years of data experience means nothing.

from my experience they seem to be going into panic mode now they cant make the huge profits they have been making for years since h/norman and jb have stepped in.and yes whilst on the subject,i can think of a number of integrators/tech/guroos etc etc whoes core business is electrical contracting!!!!(owe my god).
not all of us deserve to be put in the same boat.and yes i will agree that some are not worth feeding(i have employed them)but some of us dont do a bad job for a mere electrican.

and yes that is just my opinion.

 

nathan i support u 150%
i just love how these a/v "specialists become - data-security-lighting-home automation etc etc specialists overnight.i had a a/v guroo who told a customer of mine that could not possibly know anything about data last week.
i guess as a humble electrician - 17 years of data experience means nothing.

from my experience they seem to be going into panic mode now they cant make the huge profits they have been making for years since h/norman and jb have stepped in.and yes whilst on the subject,i can think of a number of integrators/tech/guroos etc etc whoes core business is electrical contracting!!!!(owe my god).
not all of us deserve to be put in the same boat.and yes i will agree that some are not worth feeding(i have employed them)but some of us dont do a bad job for a mere electrican.

and yes that is just my opinion.

 

Having some problems there with double-clicking on your mouse Marka?

What was that you were saying about 17 years experience with data?

 

yeah,having a bit of trouble with all these buttons
just too many things to think of at once for an electrician!!!
please accept my humble appologies

 

C-Bus Electricians

Electricians and diveresed industry installers have been instumental to the growth of C-Bus. Lots of these installlers are now integrators and that would suggest that the editor has no founded experince or knowledge. Australian Electricians have the most diverse industry experience of any country in the world and for a local reporter to claim differently shows poor knowledge and research skills. They have been clearly asked about the research data and could not come up with anything that made any sense hence the inaccuracies in thier comments. It clearly shows that poor reporting cost little and some journalists struggle to get real jobs.