(Another) New Product Release

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    Conformist

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    OK, it's been a while coming, but here it is!!!

    (Gee, feels like Groundhog day)

    A brand new product in the C-Bus line.

    CIS has released for sale (internationally), a new range of mechanism style C-Bus switches.

    It is expected they will be made available to the Australian market by the end of the week.

    enjoy

    BTW, here's the datasheet....
     

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    Great. But I'm waiting for the CBUS IP camera to be released. How far off is that new product?
     
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    CBUS IP camera .....brodricj????? For someone thats just getting into Cbus ,can you explain this item to me.

    thanks
     
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    Using IP cameras to display on C-Touch Colour. It's been a bit hit and miss to-date, mostly because many of these cameras are poorly documented, or use ActiveX controls, or MPEG4 encoding, or require java, or HTTP authentication, or a host of other reasons.

    There are some known to work well. It's just that word on the forum has been that Clipsal are going to release an IP camera that works seamlessly with CTC/PICED. I'd just like to know, how far away we are from seeing something in this regard.
     
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    I'd be interested to see the posts that lead you to this conclusion. I couldn't find any with a quick search.
    I suggest you start a new thread if you want to discuss IP Cameras.

    This thread is supposed to be about the newawesomegnarlybrillianticantbelieveitsnotbutter C-Bus 30 Mech switch. Complete with steak knives.
     
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    Ok, those look like they'll come in quite handy, especialy for the architrave style fitments.

    Wireless version working on the same flylead design next please! :)

    Could anything be done with this flylead arrangement to add c-bus capability to 240v wall power sockets?
     
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    Steak knives?!?

    COUNT ME IN!!!! :D
     
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    Now that is a damn cool idea... although I think I may have heard before that CIS don't intend on making any GPOs c-bus enabled in their own right... although I could be mistaken.
     
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    thanks for the explaination....
     
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    GPO's present ALL KINDS OF HORRIBLE safety, isolation, and compliance requirements. The moon is likely to be found to be made of green cheese before that one happens :)
     
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    Yea, I figured, lol
     
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    What about incorporating CBus wireless into a GPO? Would that not eliminate some of the isolation issues? Would make for a cleaner solution compared to have a great big wireless relay stuck on the GPO.
     
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    So can this new product be used in powerpoints that have space for an extra switch mech, or is their use forbidden due to isolation issues?
     
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    I'd say the answer would probably be no due to segregation issues according to the regs.
     
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    I can't see how you could do that and still meet the requirements of AS3000.

    The best way to do that would be to use a conventional mechanical 30 mech and then wire that into an Auxiliary Input unit (L5504AUX), which will provide the necessary isolation. If you prefer the bell press or momentary action on that button, you can replace the standard 30 mech that is included with the 2025XA (or similar) with a 30MBPR or 30MBP respectively.
     
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    What is the requirement in AS3000 that it doesn't meet. (it too early in the morning to be thinking AS3000 and I have not read it for a while - thats my excuse anyway)

    Anyway, when do we follow AS3000 to the letter anyway?

    Mick
     
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    I can't easily think how you'd meet the segregation requirements between SELV and mains within the same wallbox, given the proximity of the 30 mech in the gridplate to the mains terminals. You might be able to do it if you got creative with conduit.
     
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    Using mains-rated Presspahn would be easier, but you'd have to find a way to make sure it couldn't move when the GPO was removed from the wall, otherwise you'd be back to square one with regards to segregation, as SELV and LV can't be mixed in the same wall box/grid plate.
     
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    Thought isolation might be an issue. Although how is a power point cavity different to a switch board where mains and (pink) c-bus cable are in close proximity? (I am not a licenced sparkie, but am licenced for data/voice etc)

    It then begs the question what the use is of this new product? All I can see is for mounting in architraves or where you might want a 3 gang switch?

    Might we see in the future the traditional 1, 2 and 4 gang input units disappear in favour of these modular units. If so I hope they are priced accordingly.

    PS. Not bagging this new unit, it looks like a top idea, just trying to get an understanding for it and it's possible uses.
     
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    Architraves are the big one I see.. here's a few more though :

    - Heritage style switches
    - weatherproof enclosures
    - the ability to add up to 3 slave keys to the master key means you can install a single gang grid plate, and then add more buttons later by simply replacing the grid and adding slaves
    - it has all the functionality of the Neo switches, which the normal 503xNL doesn't
    - you can use all 8 blocks
     
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