biggest c-bus site in the world?

[Bad Boy Bubby]

hey, i just got back from chrissie in pommyland, apparently the new wembley stadium is completely c-bus. the guy i talked to rekoned there were over 5k!!!! control points :eek: including the pitch lights. anyone got details on this? the site looks awesome its about 3 times bigger than the old one. nice job to win wonder if they need any help in programming???? :)

[Bad Boy Bubby]

check this site out for more info on the building

http://www.wembleystadium.com/clubwembley/

[JackD]

There is also a C-Bus centric document on the City of Manchester Stadium which might be of interest at http://www.clipsal.com/cis/pdf_files/Case_Study_16_Man_Stadium.pdf

[darrenblake]

You may find some impressive installs closer to home. Stadium Australia in Homebush is decked out with C-Bus, Telstra Dome in Melbourne also features a pretty impressive C-Bus set up. The MCG redevelopment also has C-Bus with C-Lution SCADA software controlling everthing from the lighting (including pitch) to the generator, load shedding circuit breakers, and monitors all incoming power for power factor, current, voltage, harmonics etc, etc.

[Tom Kecil]

In addition to the Stadium Australia site, the big blue solar towers that run down Olympic Boulevard from the Stadium to the Superdome (yes, the ones pictured on the CIS Homepage (http://www.clipsal.com/cis)) are also hooked up with C-Bus. In a past life I was part of the install.

The opening of the stadium featured the blue lights dimming up and down along the length of the boulevard to create a 'wave' pattern seen from the TV helicopters broadcasting it all live. Spectacular stuff!

[Glenda]

Bonjour,

I believe that the Wembley Stadium project will be a sizable installation for the C-Bus system.

My friend who is working there, says that the system will be controlling all of the controlled lighting circuits totalling around 10,000 plus fittings working over around 400 different relays of varying configurations.

There is also estimated to be 500 switches to be used and all of this will be connected together over 50 C-Bus networks.

It appears that as with all large projects things are changing all the time and so numbers will go up and down due to demand.

I shall keep in touch with my friend to see what other details there are out there.

Big Job - Well done C-Bus.

Glenda.

[Bad Boy Bubby]

i knew it was big! what backbone network is being used c-bus or eithernetand how long to get to all the networks? are they running a control package like homegate? do they want any help i could do with a payed holiday :rolleyes:

[mikegriff]

I believe the new Maclaren complex in the UK is all Cbus,must be pretty fast

[darrenblake]

There is a rumour they used blue LEDS in the key inputs because the red leds were similar in colour to the ferrrari team colour.

[nickrusanov]

anyone knows if C-Bus does anything except lighting on Wembley?

[JohnC]

Not only Australia Stadium in Sydney, or the blue towers outside... the whole Sydney Olympics site itself is also controlled by Cbus.

In a past life (year 1999) I was responsible in getting that one working... the site is basically a 3km x 1km rectancle of roads. There are about 1000 x streetlights individually controlled by 1ch relays. There is SchedulePlus or C-Lution software driving it, so they can switch individual loads or groups (ie: a single road) on & off as required for each event.

The cables / backbone of that one is Cat3 gel-filled telephone cable. Some runs are longer than 1km but it still works OK.

That is probably the BIGGEST Cbus installation (based on physical size) :)

[PSC]

Well done John, a big pat on the back to you ;)

It was declared the best games ever because of the Cbus factor - and who do have to thank for that?

JohnC

Three cheers for John - Hipp Hipp - Hooray, Hipp Hipp - Hooray, Hipp Hipp - Hooray. :D :D :D

[JohnC]

Ummm - well, actually I did have some help from a couple of prominent Clipsal Sydney guys names "Grahame" and "Greg" :cool:

[darrenblake]

aahhh, some truth,
Well done to JohnC, Lamby, Claude, and Bryanty.

[PSC]

What about PhilH?

Surely Phil had something to do with it as well? :p

[Phil.H]

What about PhilH?

Surely Phil had something to do with it as well? :p

I know it seems like I have been around for a looooong time. Must be the tired look I have.

At that stage I was, dare I say it "in the real world" and was actually a Clipsal Systems Integrator :)

[Jannie]

What is the biggest residential (i.e. normal home) project you know about?

Home many circuits / units / keypads / etc?

[RossW]

What is the biggest residential (i.e. normal home) project you know about?

Home many circuits / units / keypads / etc?

I'll kick the ball off.... although mine is relatively modest compared to some that are being built in the capital cities....

Currently 63 devices including 64 channels of dimmer, 60 channels of relays, 7 PIRs, a light level sensor, touch-screen, PC-interface and a few other bits. Most of the rest are 8 and 4 channel Neo switches. This is spread over 4 switchboards through the house which is 55m long by 16m wide and detached aviary complex (another 24m x 7m).

I'm currently working on integrating the 48-zone security system into the c-bus system to make use of the additional 16 PIRs as occupancy sensors and to link the keyless entry (RF tags) and alarm state to c-bus. I've already linked many of the other stand-alone systems (generator and renewable energy sources, weather station etc) so certain high-power loads only run when there's plenty of power available etc. I've nearly finished as much as I'm going to do for now with the tv/theatre system through the house and linking that to c-bus where relevant (eg, touch-screen and NEO scenes for watching movies turning on the required equipment, setting lighting etc).

One of the next steps is to finish writing the code for a real-time web-interactive home status (and, where authorised, control) interface for all these systems. This last one is a little trickier, because I have very limited power available, so all the systems feed into a small, low-power 8-port terminal server so all the "smarts" can be done elsewhere over TCP/IP without drawing any local power. (Connected via microwave radio link, latency is about 3-4ms, which isn't enough to wory about).

RossW

[PSC]

This is a small house we are currently working on -


Total Number of Cbus Networks - 7

Total Number of Cbus Areas - 200

Total Number of Cbus Units - 360

Total Number of Cbus Switches (not buttons) - 169

Total Number of Cbus Dimmers - 74

Total Number of Cbus Dimmer Channels - 315

Total Number of Cbus Relays - 99

Total Number of Cbus Relay Channels - 448

Total Number of Cbus Group Addresses - 900+

Total number of Schedule Plus Scenes - 600+

Total number of computers controlling the house - 1 (Schedule +)


For more info - http://www.project-connection.com.au/case4.html

[RossW]

This is a small house we are currently working on -

You're missing the <sarcasm> tags there pete!


Total Number of Cbus Networks - 7
Total Number of Cbus Areas - 200
Total Number of Cbus Units - 360
Total Number of Cbus Switches (not buttons) - 169
Total Number of Cbus Dimmer Channels - 315
Total Number of Cbus Relay Channels - 448
Total number of computers controlling the house - 1 (Schedule +)


6 floors, 2400 sq m, 3 years construction an *splutter* $1.5M *ELECTRICAL*? Can't be too many "domestic residences" that stretch that far, surely? Makes my rather modest $30K odd in c-bus pale into insigificance.

[Frank Mc Alinden]

WoW!!!! Thats going to be hard to beat for a residential Installation.....


Frank

[RossW]

WoW!!!! Thats going to be hard to beat for a residential Installation.....
Frank

Yup. Until someone turns up a 5 million square metre site that just happens to have an attached "caretakers cottage" and decides to call it "residential".

[JohnC]

6 floors, 2400 sq m, 3 years construction an *splutter* $1.5M *ELECTRICAL*? Can't be too many "domestic residences" that stretch that far, surely?I never ceases to amaze me how MANY of those big jobs are out there - well, in Sydney at least. The company where I previously worked focussed on lighting, and it was not uncommon to have $100K-$200K domestic orders coming every week or so. It was very rare for houses not to have full Control System etc, although we were actively involved in only a small proportion of the integration etc.
God knows where these people get that sort of money from !
A couple of weeks back one of the reps brought in a project where the client bought a house for $12mill and before moving in decided on a $2million on a "decor update". A lot of that budget is to change all the marble floors to a different colour of marble :rolleyes:

[scottmurphy]

Anyone know who is doing the Cbus side of the Wembley project?

Just interested.

[ashleigh]

Take a look at this house (http://14castaway.com.au)thats for sale in Melbourne. Apparently its all cbus...

[PSC]

Thanks for that link to the 'Worlds Slowest Website' Ashleigh.

It's amazing what iControl can do...

It sounds like a great house, pity it's in Melbourne :cool:

[ashleigh]

Is it really IControl? I cannot find that anywhere! (And yes its slow to load... done with Flash by the look of it.)

I know one of the neighbours to this place, and he tells me that its all C-Bus. :D

[PSC]

I was just stirring the pot Ashleigh... ;)

[Phil.H]

Great to see someone in Melbourne has built a big house.
Places like this are a dime a dozen around the waterways in Sydney, I'm still trying to work out what the owners do for a job. I am slowly getting closer to working it out though. For starters I know for sure none of them do my job.

PSC, you must be really busy on that big house of yours - up and into it at 4.44am. Thats dedication. Thats also how you get good at things :D

[more-solutions]

Just come across this thread a little late (about a year late!), but just thought I'd say hello as I have been involved directly or indirectly with some of the large UK projects mentioned in this thread (I can't talk about all of them but we did the SCADA for Manchester City and McLaren using C-Lution, and have more recently become involved with the C-Bus for both although we didn't do the original installation of them).

I mention it only in case someone else is heading into a large project like that and had any specific questions. The only thing I can think to say is that the older C-Bus tools are a nightmare on a large project through CNIs (lots of messing around with Lantronix redirector when you have 30+ networks), and it's therefore a great shame that the new toolkit version of C-gate doesn't sit well with Citect/C-Lution. Otherwise C-Bus is a good tool for the job, as is Citect/C-Lution for the SCADA.

[JohnC]

hello and welcome, Mr More !

[ashleigh]

... a great shame that the new toolkit version of C-gate doesn't sit well with Citect/C-Lution.

This will be improved !

[more-solutions]

This will be improved !

Any time soon?

There seem to be two basic options: implement the CI functions (which only the Citect driver uses) in the new C-Gate versions, or modify the C-Gate/Citect driver to use "standard" C-Bus functions instead of the custom CI ones. Which method are you going with? (Or another I haven't thought of?)

I'm working on a multi-network project now which would benefit from being able to run Citect and C-Bus tools at the same time, which I can't do as things stand; indeed I have to keep swapping between different C-Gate versions.

[Richo]

and it's therefore a great shame that the new toolkit version of C-gate doesn't sit well with Citect/C-Lution. Otherwise C-Bus is a good tool for the job, as is Citect/C-Lution for the SCADA. What sort of problems did you have with the new cgate and clution. I was under the impression that with the right compatibility switches on it should work fine.